Showing posts with label Barrie Victory Centre. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Barrie Victory Centre. Show all posts

Tuesday, June 10, 2014

BVC -- Your Jesus is Not My Jesus!!!

PM should make it clear to his attendees that BVC doesn't follow or trust in the Jesus of the Bible.  PM wants you to think his Jesus is the Jesus of the Bible but nothing could be further from the truth.  When PM uses the word Jesus he is deceiving you.  When PM speaks the name of Jesus, he is not talking about the Jesus of the Bible.  He is talking about the newly created Jesus of the Faith Movement.  This new Jesus also died to make us healthy and wealthy.  He should not call him Jesus, he should call him Jesus II.

PM believes that people will not come to Jesus for just the forgiveness of sins.  He believes there has to be more than that as all those in the Faith Movement do.  He has no right to use the name of Jesus when he is really talking about Jesus II.  PM needs to make up his mind and decide which Jesus he serves; the Jesus of the Bible who died only for our sins or Jesus II who also died to make you healthy and wealthy.

PM cannot speak the name of Jesus and pretend that he is talking about the Jesus of the Bible -- he is not!  I, as a born-again Christian, do not believe in PM's Jesus.  I believe in the Jesus of the Bible who died for my sins only.  Sin is the only thing that can keep me out of Heaven.  The crucifixion was only about one thing -- Jesus paying the price for my sins so that I can go to Heaven.

``By His stripes we are healed" is talking about the disease of our sin, not physical healing.  This is what happens when the unqualified misinterpret Scripture -- you have the creation of a new Jesus -- Jesus II who is a fraud, a lie, a mirage, a deception!  Rest assured that false teachers will face a much harsher judgment.

The people at BVC think they have the same Jesus as I do -- they do not!  This is a very serious problem.  The people in leadership at BVC need to decide which Jesus they serve and declare it clearly at every turn.  If you declare you serve and trust in the Health and Wealth Jesus, you need to differentiate this fact from the true Jesus by giving him another name so that followers are not fooled into thinking he is the same Jesus who appears in the pages of the Bible.  You could call him:

  • Jesus II
  • Jesus the Second
  • The Faith Movement Jesus
  • Jesus, the Other
  • The Reformed Jesus
  • The New Jesus
  • The Health and Wealth Jesus
  • The New Improved Jesus


BUT NOT JUST "JESUS"

End the deception, tell the truth, be honest, no more lies, declare which Jesus you serve.

One More Thing About the BVC Jesus

My Jesus does not demand or urge me to speak in tongues/gibberish.  My Jesus does not demand that I make a fool of myself at church every week.  My Jesus does not have some Christians who are "haves" and some Christians who are "have nots."  Paul asserts that all Christians have been baptized by the Spirit into the body of Christ and that we have been made to drink of that one Spirit (1 Cor. 12:13).  BVC's teaching on tongues/gibberish is absolutely 100% totally false, not found in Scripture.  They misinterpret Scripture to create this teaching.  Gibberish is not tongues.  This fact opens up the opportunity to create some other names for the BVC Jesus.  Names they might want to try:
  • Gibberish Jesus
  • Tongues Jesus
  • Woohoo Jesus
  • Crazy Jesus
  • Foolish Jesus
  • Stupid Jesus
  • Nonsense Jesus
  • Idiot Jesus
  • Wacko Jesus
  • Silly Jesus

BUT NOT JUST "JESUS"

My Jesus doesn't demand so much of my income that I am unable to look after my family or save any money for my future.  My Jesus doesn't make me behave in church in such a way that my children are ashamed of me or embarrassed.  This wouldn't happen in a real church!

If you are interested in knowing why the pentecostal church / Faith Movement / Victory churches are wrong on subsequence, tongues, and seeking, you will need to read the upcoming nine or ten posts on What Was Happening in the Early Church.  The previously mentioned three movements grossly misinterpret Scripture and totally misunderstand what was happening in the early church which is why they teach the falsehoods that they do.



Tuesday, December 24, 2013

Do You Hear What I Hear?


Posted on - Faith Teachers Confess - Their Faith Teachings Don't Work
"I like your post. I went to a Bible study and the lady who lead it said by going to see Oral Roberts she was healed of a burning problem all over her body. She also did teaching from a man named Andrew Wommack, Kenneth Copeland and others u have named. As I went I new something wasnt right. When I questioned the teaching she wouldnt talk to me. I believed the Lord was telling me to stay away from her and the others falling into these lies. It is a False teaching.The Bible warns of false Jesus. They makeup another Jesus not the Bible Jesus. I would get a bad feeling every time I went. Satan Knows when we desire closeness to God and if not careful will lead us to a trap. Hes the father of lies and knows God's word and will work through these false teachers to make God's word sound the way he wants."
-  By Anonymous

Posted on - Biblical Theology
I really wish that some of these nutbar preachers of the Faith Movement would go to Bible College before they open their mouths. Now Barrie Victory Centre is going to have a Bible College in their new building..probably taught by uneducated and ineffective people from the Victory Churches International. Already they are trying to get my high school aged children to commit to attending college with them instead of going to Ryerson. These people should be run out of town on a rail before they destroy even more lives than they have already.
- By Anonymous

Posted on - The Faith Movement Televangelist and the Word of God
It's about time that someone took on these televangelists and Word of Faith preachers. Most of them don't have a clue about what God's Word says. I have been researching a lot of your books and find the work that you have undertaken to expose these frauds inspiring. Keep up the good work.
- By J. Dickens

Posted on - A Preliminary Assessment of Word/Faith Televangelism
Televangelism is one of the biggest ways for the spread of distorted biblical information. These T.V. preachers who think that you can speak it to get it or name it to claim it are so horribly wrong. They are leading everyone who listens to them right down the road to eternal damnation. Keep on writing, Sir! Maybe someday, all of these kooks will get kicked off television.
- By R. Browning

Posted on - Scripture Twisting
What a true statement! Word of Faith "preachers" are always twisting the scriptures to suit their own agendas, especially when it comes to getting their poor deceived attendees to give more and more money! They are so deceived that they don't realize what is happening until they are broke and discouraged. God never said that we would be wealthy! He said He would provide for our needs if we trust and obey Him. That doesn't mean paid for houses and big cars! We found this out way too late.
- By Name Withheld Because of Embarrassment

Posted on - A Preliminary Assessment of Word/Faith Televangelism
So delighted to read your latest series! You give hope to those who have family members caught up in these cultic Victory Churches. We were able to get our children to see reason after we sent them to this clearly researched blog. Of course, their "pastor" tried to say that you were a "nut" but with the list of books that you have read and provided information to us, our kids finally saw the light. They are back in our Baptist church and we are very grateful to you. Keep it up -- maybe your boys will eventually see the light.
- By Lorena Goldsmith

Posted on - Assessment of Positive Confessionism
This is a very interesting concept. I am sure that many people don't understand it and get sidetracked by these misinformed preachers. I hope that a lot of people find the truth through your blog.
- By Anonymous

Posted on - Assessment of Positive Confessionism
I just want to encourage you to keep writing. My wife and I have found your blog to be one of the most helpful ones when dealing with the Faith Movement and Victory Churches International. This plague of heretical teachings is spreading across the world like wildfire and so many people who think they are saved are actually worshipping a god that is not in the Bible nor the Saviour of our world. We continue to pray that more people will find your blog and that God will open their eyes to the truth.
- By B. McTavish

Posted on - Scripture Twisting
I have been following your blog with some interest for the couple of years or so. I've never been one to comment because I've found everything to be well-researched and presented. The library list has allowed me to purchase some of the books and review them in conjunction with looking up the Scriptures that are referred to and I must say that there is no doubt that these Bible scholars know what they are talking about. It is clear that they know their Bible inside and out -- I hope that you continue writing so that all of the deceived people in these cultic churches will have their eyes opened.
- By W. Fitzsimons

Posted on - Assessment of Positive Confessionism
I find this blog to be an eye-opening experience into the problems with the Victory Churches and in particular, with Barrie Victory Centre. I find it completely unbelievable that so many people can be duped by the biblically uneducated people who are running all the programs especially the youth leaders who have had no biblical training whatsoever.
- By Anonymous

Posted on - Scripture Twisting - Conclusion
Once again, Mr. Poo-Bah, you have hit the nail right on the head. These Faith Movement people are so deceived by their leaders (I refuse to call them pastors or ministers--they can stick anybody at the front to rant and rave at them--and that's preaching????) It really saddens me that these uneducated followers of the Faith Movement are going to hell because they are being led down the garden path by charlatans and false teachers just like the Bible says will happen in the end times. Keep the faith, Brother. God will pass His final judgment on all of these when it is in His time.
- By Edward C. Tomson

Posted on - Ye Shall Be As Gods
I have been reading your last few posts with great interest. This last one about the little gods syndrome is so typical of what is being taught at the Barrie Victory Centre (in fact, all Victory Churches).. and if you don't adhere to their teachings -- watch out. I hope that you are aware of how far these BVC nuts are ready to go to keep their adherents toeing the line and believing all the drivel that that nutbar in charge along with the youth leaders are teaching. I have stopped attending and now my family is being harrassed because I used to contribute a lot of time and money to this Devil-lead group. Do be careful as they will stop at nothing to keep their attendees under their thumbs.
- By Name Withheld Out Of Fear

Posted on - Ye Shall Be As Gods
You are so right on with this interpretation of how the Victory Churches think. Kenneth Copeland and his wife are the worst of the worst in teaching this to the millions of deceived people who watch their TV programs and read their puff-books. And they get filthy rich off the hard earned dollars of their followers. We were sent a link to your blog and after reading it all -- our eyes were opened. We no longer have any dealings with the Copeland organization and are actively trying to show our family and friends the error of their ways. Thank you for taking a firm stand -- we believe that God led us to you.
- By V. Totten

Posted on - Scripture Twisting - Conclusion
The twisting of Scriptures is something that the Faith Movement does well. They take a piece of God's Word and manipulate it to suit their purposes. Nowhere in the Word are Christians guaranteed health, wealth or freedom from trials by having enough faith. In fact, the Bible says that Christians will face many trials to bring us closer to God. A "feel good" church is a "bad" church. For example, true churches teach everything based on Scripture while "feel good" places (like Joel Osteen's) are full of deceived people. I enjoy reading your blog. 
- By Constance H; Wyatt

Posted on - Misapplied Texts and Terms
I wish these "little gods" preachers would stop incorrectly quoting Scripture. You can sure tell when you sit in their services that they don't have a clue about real teaching based on the truth of the Scripture. And forget asking them about it -- they swear that you are a "Devil's Spawn" and tell you not to come back to their "church." Blahhhh! Somebody ought to run these charlatans out of town on a rail! 
- By B. Corrigan

Posted on - Misapplied Texts and Terms
One of these days all these "little gods" people will be rotting in hell for deceiving Christians. On that note, Christians who follow these "little gods" preachers like Paul McCullough from Barrie Victory Centre cannot possibly be Christians. They go broke supporting this idiot who tells them that they need to give more and more money. Their youth leaders have no Bible training at all to teach correct Scripture to the children. This new church is costing every attendee a fortune in covenant spending. The school is a farce and none of the children who go there will be able to cope in the real world when they graduate. Thanks for letting me rant.. I am afraid to leave my name because of the repercussions that could happen.
- By Anonymous

Posted on - Scripture Twisting - Conclusion
If these so-called churches are twisting Scripture to suit their warped sense of worth to deceive their followers into giving them things that aren't scriptural - they should be closed. Most of these Faith Movement organizations are run by a tyrant who keeps everyone toeing the line. There is no accountability and that's why they get away with it. I wish that their followers would miraculously get their eyes and ears opened and run these charlatans out of town.
- By Anonymous

Posted on - False Teachings of Barrie Victory Center
I was looking up Barrie Victory Center and your blog came up right underneath their website. I'm so glad that I read your take on this church. We have attended there for a few weeks and just felt that something was "off" about the touchy-feely aspect of this group. The constant grab for money was also a bit much and the process is very sneaky. My wife thought that some of the teachings were a bit off the mark and after we read this posting on your blog, we know why. Thank you for putting the finger on what we felt was wrong. We'll be finding another church to attend.
- By C. McKenzie

Posted on - False Prophesies and a "Born-Again" Jesus
We are so glad that you are continuing to write about these "false Jesus" teachings. It breaks our hearts that we have children involved in a local faith movement group that distorts the true Scripture in order to create a pyramid scheme of pastors getting rich quick on the backs of their followers. We hope that your children will also see the light about what is really going on in their church.
- By D. Grienway

Posted on - False Teachings of the Barrie Victory Center
Boy, am I ever glad that I read this blog post about the Barrie Victory Centre. My teenage kids want to go to their youth group because they are friends with the Kenney kids... after reading this; there is NO WAY that I would let my children attend anything at that so-called church. How heartbreaking it must be for you to watch your children and grandchildren going down this path where they are so deceived by the leadership at this cult. Now that the church is in a huge building I can just guess how much cash this guy is taking out of the families' pockets who attend there. I will keep you and your family in prayer that somehow they will see the light and get out before it is too late. 
- By Can't Leave My Name

Posted on - "Health and Wealth" Teachers Claim Direct Counsel from God
What a load of hogwash! These people are so out to lunch and it is so unfortunate that they don't see what they are doing to their followers. I really wish that they would wise up before it is too late.
- By Anonymous

Posted on - What is the Health and Wealth Gospel?
This is so ridiculous. Nowhere in Scripture does God tell Christians that everyone is going to be rich and healthy. So many people get deceived with TV preachers like Joel Osteen and Joseph Prince. In fact, Scripture teaches that Christians will suffer more for their faith than worldly people. Thank you for continuing the fight for true Christianity.
- By A. Dysarairt

Posted on - Errors of Positive Confessionism and Consequences
Wow! I had no idea that all these people were teaching a false Scripture. I stumbled upon your blog when I was doing research for a paper on pentecostal teachings. What a wealth of information you have provided. Thanks to you and your certified reference materials, I have been able to rethink my position on pentecostalism and I am now looking for a true Bible believing and preaching church in my home town. We do have a couple of Victory churches in our area and they seem to be mesmerizing all of our kids in the neighbourhood with the crap that they are teaching. Good for you. 
- By Owen Blythe

Posted on - The Bible Shows Faith Teachers' Errors
All of these false teachers should really attend a good Bible-based seminary and learn what the Scripture really says about the verses that they all use out of context. Christians, for the most part, have more difficulties and issues because we are targets of the Devil who is constantly trying to get us to denounce God. I find your blog extremely informative and helpful in dealing with people who are involved in such scam churches as Barrie Victory Centre. It is unfortunate that most of the adherents to this scumbag pastor cannot see the forest for the trees and it will be too late when they finally realize that they have been scammed for all their money, time and whatever else those so-called better than everyone else pastors can get out of them. Keep up the good word! 
- By Gordon Thomas

Posted on - The Bible Shows Faith Teachers' Errors
I think that these "preachers" who lead their congregations astray with all the non-biblical garbage that you have indicated should be thrown out of their churches. It is unfortunate that so many people have their eyes and minds closed by Satan to only believe what the "pastor" is telling them instead of reading their Bibles for themselves. Your blog is an eye-opener to us as we were involved in a Victory church years ago. If only we had known that we were being led astray and into bankruptcy and emotional breakdown because we didn't give enough or believe enough. 
- By R. & B. Chattyn

Posted on - Does the Atonement of Christ Allow Us to Claim Physical Healing This is a very interesting article. God can choose to heal some people while He chooses not to heal others. Scripture doesn't say anything about us being able to CLAIM healing. It does allow us to pray for it but the healing is at God's discretion, not our demand to be healed. Where these people misinterpret the Scriptures to teach that Christians can claim healing is beyond me. I hope that some of these misguided people can find your blog and read what true Bible scholars are saying about these health and wealth teachings. 
- By O. Kennedy

Posted on - Errors of Positive Confession and Consequences There are so many things that are wrong with this positive confession theology, especially when you have to come up to the front of the church and confess everything that you've ever done before the congregation. I always thought that the only person you had to confess to was God but when we unwittingly got involved with one of these faith movement churches, we had no idea of what positive confession was. It turned out to be humiliating and we were told that in order to be accepted we had to sign a covenant with the church to ensure that we would not backslide into sin. Included in that covenant document was a list of MUST DOs and DON'Ts. We so wanted to be accepted that we went in blindly to this agreement to support the church and then in turn, they would support us. Well they did -- right into bankruptcy and by using emotional blackmail, caused my wife to attempt to take her own life. Fortunately we found a real saviour in our doctor who realized what we were involved with and he helped us disentangle ourselves from this abuse.  Make no mistake -- it is abuse -- of the worst kind.  These pastor-charlatans are nothing more than demons in disguise who eat up their followers and when there is nothing left of them, spit them out and move on to the next bunch of easily led people.
By M. Torey

I agree with O. Kennedy's comment about the physical healing. We were involved in BVC and had several health issues. We were told that if we had enough faith (1st thing) that God would have to bend to our will because we were on the same level as Jesus. What a crock of crap that was -- then the next line was that we weren't tithing enough to get God's attention for healing -- so we gave more money -- still ill. Then we had to sign up for a covenant relationship to help build the kingdom (guess what we were building -- yup -- that big new edifice that belongs to the pastor and his wife) and it's going to be paid for in a few short years thanks to all of us fools who were taken in. Still no health for either my wife or I. We have since left BVC and we are expecting to receive some sort of legal action because we are not paying our covenant bill (turns out -- it's a mortgage hidden in there -- and our lawyer says we probably don't have a leg to stand on to get out of paying unless we go bankrupt
- By Anonymous

Posted on - Does the Atonement of Christ Allow Us to Claim Physical Healing The ability for these fraudulent "pastors" to guess about what they don't know in the area of physical healing just makes me sick. God is in full control and decides for whatever reason He chooses to heal some people while others suffer. It doesn't matter whether you have enough faith or pay enough money. God decides, not man. Nobody can claim healing in the way that these faith people say they can. Somebody ought to send them out to see a real mission field where they cannot dupe people into giving them money to live high on the hog lives like Paul and Debby McCulloch on the backs and wallets of their followers. Your revelation of the false doctrines of these churches has been an eye-opener to us. Keep up the work and maybe your sons and their families will realize just how much they have been deceived. 
- By Grace Whyte


I am so disgusted with the youth leaders at Barrie Victory Centre. Every time you turn around, they want to take our kids on a "faith retreat" -- what this has turned out to be is them being taken to another Victory Church location where they become free labour to help build classrooms, benches, and other things. This is supposed to enrich their faith experience. I agree that kids need to have some experiences but every month for the last 6 months? Really? When we refused to let our kids go the last time, they were ridiculed because God's work should come before family. The youth leaders have since asked us "nicely" -- to stop bringing our kids to youth group. This group should be exposed for the charlatan church that it is!


- By Anonymous

Posted on - Errors of Positive Confession and Consequences I think my family is attending one of these "itching ear" churches based on this article. Everything that their leader says to them, they do. They have lost all common sense about life when it comes to this guy. He tells them that he needs a new car and the church comes up with enough money for a new Mercedes. In the meantime, their family car needs winter tires and they cannot afford to put them on. I am sending them the link to this article. Maybe it will make them see some sense since I can't.
- By Roger Tompkin



I Hope You Hear What I Hear!



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Wednesday, November 20, 2013

The Bible Shows Faith Teachers' Errors

Positive confession is not a biblical teaching and the scores of Scriptures used to support it are typically misinterpreted or misapplied.  For example, in reference to Matthew 6:20 ("lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven") we are told by Kenneth Copeland, "Jesus is not referring to when we get to heaven.  He was teaching about God providing for us now."  Anyone who wishes to prove to himself how extensively such verses are taken out of context need only examine Positive Confession literature and then consult standard commentaries to prove their errors.

For example, 3 John 2 (that you may "prosper and be in good health") is a personal wish for Gaius, not a divine promise of money and health to every Christian.  It was a standard greeting in antiquity and had nothing to do with money.  How many of us would really end up "spiritually prospering" if we were rich?  Likewise, Mark 10:29, 30 ("the hundredfold return") is not literal but figurative since believers do not literally receive one hundred mothers and sisters and brothers as well.  So why is it used literally only in reference to money?  Also, Jesus says this is true only of those who have nothing now because they have left everything behind to follow Him, which is not true of most Christians.  It is especially not true of the prosperity teachers who are generally very wealthy.

Instead of having the poor people send them money, if the hundredfold return is really true, why don't the prosperity teachers (such as Kenneth Hagan, Kenneth Copeland, Jerry Savelle, Charles Capps, etc.) send $100 to every person on their mailing list in order to get billions of dollars in return?  But it doesn't seem to work that way.

The Bible, far from stressing the spiritual  benefits of wealth, encourages us to be content with what we have.  We are told, "keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have .  .  . " (Hebrews 13:5).  In fact, it often warns about the perils of money.  Jesus said, "You cannot serve both God and Money" (Matthew 6:24, James 5:1-5).  The Apostle Paul "suffered the loss of all things" (Philippians 3:7,8).  He was content to live in poverty, hunger, and to suffer need (Philippians 4:12).  He also noted that most Christians were  "poor" and "had nothing" (2 Corinthians 6:10).  Paul said not wealth but "the sufferings of Christ are ours in abundance" (2 Corinthians 1:5).  If these "prosperity" teachings really came from the Lord, why did the Lord Himself and His disciples end up poor and martyred?

Paul also said that greed was the same as idolatry (Colossians 3:5).  The Bible teaches we are to place God's will first in our lives -- not self-will.  We cannot "write our own ticket with God."  "And this is the confidence which we have before Him, that, if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us" (1 John 5:14).  Even Jesus Himself, when He prayed for deliverance before the cross did not demand of God but said, "if you are willing . . . " (Luke 22:42).  James taught that it was "arrogant" and "evil" to presume of the Lord.  He said, "instead you ought to say, 'if the Lord wills, we shall live and also do this or that.' but as it is, you boast in your arrogance; all such boasting is evil" (James 4:15-16).  Paul himself said "if the Lord wills . . . " (1 Corinthians 4:19).  He referred to those who supposed that godliness (religion) was a means of financial gain and he said, "for we have brought nothing into the world, so we cannot take anything out of it either.  And if we have food and covering with these we shall be content.  But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction.  For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith, and pierced themselves with many a pang" (1 Timothy 6:7-10).

Thursday, April 18, 2013

Justification

The doctrine of justification is no less twisted.  Confusing regeneration and justification, one positive confessionist defines "righteousness" simultaneously as having the "nature of God" and as possessing "the right standing with God."

It is argued as well that once the believer possesses "the nature of God" and "the right standing with God," all sin consciousness ought to be driven out and every sin tag removed.  The Apostle Paul serves as an example.  He claims that he has never defrauded anyone (II Corinthians 7:2).  In view of his persecution of the Christians in the early part of his career, that seems an astonishing claim that may raise more than a few eyebrows.  But it really should not.  The "old" Paul, we are told, who did the persecuting, "died" on the way to Damascus and is gone, effectively replaced by the "new" Paul.  This Paul is perfectly justified in refusing to own any sin-consciousness or sin tag.  It can, indeed, be said of the new Paul, according to the positive confessionists, that he never defrauded anyone.

The picture is grim.  Justification is confused with regeneration.  The necessity of repentance is ignored.  Now also progressive sanctification vanishes from sight.  There is apparently no need to remind the believer that he is locked in a battle with sin that too often still clings to him.  In fact, such a reminder is said to be counterproductive.  It would emphasize the negative unduly.

All this fits in with the avowed aim of the positive confessionist.  Only what serves the twin ends of health and wealth goes.  Never mind what right standing with God is, how it comes about, and what it implies, as long as the speaker gets across the message that the Gospel produces a son of the King, who reigns with the King and has all the privileges and rights of the King!  Such a person may expect, if not demand, health and wealth.  For anyone who is sin-conscious, the doors of prosperity will close.  But for a righteousness-minded person, they will open wide.  After all, unlike the former, who will feel fettered and flustered, the latter will be in a perfect position freely and boldly to exercise his royal right to "name and claim it."  The message of the Bible which is God-centered and holiness-centered, is thus eclipsed by a man-centered and happiness-centered ideology.

In this regard the theology of the positive confessionist is akin to that of possibility thinking.  The latter would regard the verdict rendered just above as a badge of honour.  Its major proponent holds that classical theology, which had its inception in the Reformation in 1517, is in error precisely because it is God-centered.  Its definition of sin as a rebellion against God, for instance, is seen as being typical of the whole of classical theology and as a reactionary definition, because it is insulting and bound to produce an inferiority complex in people.  A New Reformation, the proponent insists, is desperately needed.  Theology ought to be man-centered and take the value of the individual as its starting point.  Then sin can be properly defined as a lack of self-esteem, and the cross can be presented as the means to prop up that self-esteem.  After all, the infinite price paid on the cross, indicates the infinite worth of man.

What is proposed without blushing is a Gospel that is different from the one preached by the Reformers.  It is a Gospel that is man-centered.  It is to be feared that it also constitutes a "different Gospel" in Paul's eyes, different, that is, from the Gospel he preached (Galations 1:8), the Gospel of the justification of the ungodly through faith in the blood sacrifice of Christ that pacifies the wrath of God against the sinner (Romans 3:25).

All in all, the picture that emerges with regard to the doctrinal position of much of modern Word/Faith preaching is not encouraging.  It simply does not square with a properly constructed systematic theology or with the covenantal themes of a properly constructed biblical theology.  The hermeneutical procedures of much of Word/Faith preachers are no less discouraging.  Space does not allow us to give more than three examples, but one hopes that they will prove to be telling and persuasive.  The examples pertain to such terms as everything, anything, and whatever found in many passages of Scripture, to the phrase greater works mentioned in John 14:12, and to the text of Isaiah 53:4, quoted in Matthew 8:17.

Everything, Anything, Whatever

Does everything always mean "everything" ("whatever," "anything")?  The positive confessionist answers this question emphatically in the affirmative.  When the expressed scope of a biblical promise such as in John 14:13-14, is "everything," anything that can be named, claimed, and even demanded, whether it is good weather, a new car, financial success, the recovery of lost property or the salvation of a loved one, the prosperity "gospel" is born.

Such use of Scripture is hermeneutically irresponsible.  Everything does not always mean "everything."  A simple illustration will make that evident.  Upon paying his bill in a restaurant, the customer will invariably be asked by the cashier, "Is everything all right?"  Clearly, "everything" here is not "everything in general --," but "everything in context," the restaurant context of the food, the service, the seating, and possibly even the restrooms.  In a word, the context supplies terms such as everything with natural limits, usually not explicitly stated, but by the same token routinely recognized.

This hermeneutical principle may now be applied to John 14:13-14.  The passage holds out the promise that Christ will supply "whatever ("anything") that is asked in His name.  In the context His name stands for the crucified Saviour as the only avenue to the Father (14:6) and for the ascended Lord as the enthroned King (14:12b).  Herewith the parameters (and boundaries) of the promise emerge.  It seems no more than natural to understand from this passage that Christ will act only upon requests that are made by believers who embrace Him as Saviour and acknowledge Him as King, and only upon petitions that are made through His continuing mediation and serve the purposes of His Kingdom.  Otherwise, someone might come to the preposterous conclusion that Christ would be bound to honour requests that are made by adherents of the Enemy and aim to promote the realm of darkness.

It ought to be noted that the purposes of the King, according to I John 5:14, are spelled out in the Word of the King.  Therefore, for a request to be honoured by the King, it must be based upon His Word, whether it is a promise, an injunction, a prohibition, or a universal principle.  Of such requests that are sanctioned by the Word, John says categorically that they will be granted (I John 5:15).  By the same token, when a request is not authorized by the King's Word, it is illegitimate, and neither may, nor should be, made.

This point has powerful implications for the "name and claim it" doctrine.  The Bible never assures anyone of health, wealth, recovery of lost property, a promotion, salvation of loved ones and so on.  So they should not be "demanded" or expected.  Legitimate requests always stick scrupulously to the boundaries of the Word.

In short, "everything" does not always mean "everything" indiscriminately.  By the same token, "everything" for the King and based upon His Word invariably means "everything".  Such an interpretation precludes an approach that is man-centered and happiness-centered and promotes an approach that is God-centered and Holiness-centered.

Greater Works

It is difficult to envision anyone able to produce miracles that are more numerous or impressive than those of Jesus.  Surely, the miracles that accompanied His presence on earth are unsurpassed in quantity and quality.  Still, the claim is made that according to John 14:12 in the realm of the spectacular (in the production of health and wealth), the accomplishments of the disciples of Jesus (should) outstrip those of the Master.  The context, however, suggests a better explanation.

It connects the "greater works" with Christ's ascension and the outpouring of the Spirit.  That brings Acts 1 and 2 into view.  The King is on the march.  After He left the Twelve to occupy His throne and baptized them with the Spirit from that throne, they were instrumental in one day in the salvation of a throng that exceeded the total number of converts their Master assembled in three years.  Then they proceeded with a massive discipling program that dwarfed anything that had ever gone on before.  These are the only kinds of works, attested to in Scriptures and history, that can be characterized as truly "greater" than those of Jesus.  This not only makes any accomplishment in the area of the spectacular pale by comparison.  It also provides a focus to ministry that no emphasis upon health and wealth could ever transcend.  In fact, the differences in focus between a ministry of greater works that Jesus holds out according to Scripture and the type of activity that fascinates the positive confessionist is as vast as the difference between heaven and earth.

Isaiah 53:4

Isaiah 53:4 is the locusclassicus and cornerstone for the view that it is the Christian's prerogative to claim healing in any type of sickness.  In fact, the only roadblock for healing "name and claim it" proponents see is lack of faith on the part of the potential recipient.  Basic to this view is the interpretation that has both the removal of sin and the deliverance from sickness bound up with Christ's substitutionary atonement.

Now in the light of Matthew 8:17 it seems, indeed, irrefutable that the cross of Christ constitutes a conquest over both sin and sickness and, of course, constitutes a conquest over Satan as well (Colossians 2:15).  But to recognize the parallels properly is to recognize them across the board.  The conquest over Satan does not bring the spiritual warfare and the suffering that spiritual warfare entails to an end (I Peter 5:8-9).  Similarly, the conquest over sin does not spell sinless perfection.  The heartache that this produces is only too genuine (I John 3:20).  So the conquest over sickness does not imply perfect health (Philippians 2:26-27).  The "thorns and thistles" with which this world is cursed after the Fall do not leave any area of life untouched and will not be removed until the consummation.

Of course, this is not a plea for defeatism.  The battle against Satan, sin, and sickness is wholesome and necessary.  But if there is a break in the parallelism, it emerges at this juncture.  Whereas there is no excuse not to be victorious over Satan (James 4:7) or sin (James 3:9-12) in the ongoing battle, the same can not be said about sickness.  The persistence or recurrence of sickness does not point to a deficiency in the one who intercedes against it, or a lack of faith in the one who is afflicted with it.

First, the Apostle Paul acknowledges routinely the presence of sickness in a way that is sharply different from his attitude towards Satan and sin.  Paul does not lay a guilt trip on Timothy when he hears about his condition, but recommends a little wine for his stomach and his frequent ailments (I Timothy 5:23).  If he had been confronted with a situation in which Satan and sin had made inroads he would have reacted much more strongly (I Corinthians 5:1-8).

Furthermore, the prayer of a righteous man, according to James 5:14-16, accomplishes much -- but apparently not everything!  James would never have said anything remotely like that if the battle against Satan (James 4:7) or sin (James 4:4) had been the context.  Why the difference?  To begin with, the claim that perfect health is obtainable through faith runs counter to the Scripture's witness of man's mortality.  Then it completely overlooks a well-attested purpose of sickness.  Just as in the case of judgments (I Corinthians 11:30), chastisements (Hebrews 12:5-11), and trials (James 1:2-3), there are times when sickness is designed to elicit repentance, to produce endurance, and to result in holiness.

There is a connection between cross and cure.  But it is wide of the biblical mark to claim that indiscriminate healing is simply waiting to be appropriated by the faith of the Christian.  Isaiah 53:4, the so-called cornerstone of the "name it and claim it" teaching in the area of sickness, cannot support the weight that is placed upon it.



For more information on Victory Churches and the Faith Movement, go to the Reference Library.  Click on any book title to get a brief overview of the book.  All books on the list are available through www.amazon.com. 

Friday, July 1, 2011

Reference Library


CHRISTIANITY IN CRISIS by Hank Hannegraaff


A DIFFERENT GOSPEL by D. R. McConnell


CHARISMATIC CHAOS by John F. MacArthur Jr.


THE KINGDOM OF THE CULTS by Walter Martin


TWISTED SCRIPTURES by Mary Alice Chrnalogar


THE FACTS ON THE FAITH MOVEMENT by John Ankerberg & John Weldon


TOXIC FAITH by Stephen Arterburn & Jack Felton


COUNTERFEIT REVIVAL by Hank Hanegraaf


CHURCHES THAT ABUSE by Ronald M. Enroth


THE POWER OF SUFFERING by John MacArthur, Jr.


DOES GOD STILL DO MIRACLES by Dr. Brad Burke


THE HEALING PROMISE by Richard Mayhue


CULT PROOFING YOUR KIDS by Dr. Paul R. Martin


FAST FACTS ON FALSE TEACHINGS by Ron Carlson & Ed Decker


UNHOLY DEVOTION - WHY CULTS LURE CHRISTIANS by Harold L. Bussell


RECKLESS FAITH by John F. MacArthur, Jr.


KNOW THE MARKS OF CULTS by Dave Breese


THE HEALTH AND WEALTH GOSPEL by Bruce Barron


SATAN'S TEN MOST BELIEVABLE LIES  by Dave Breese


COMBATTING CULT MIND CONTROL by Steven Hassan


THE PSYCHOLOGY OF SPEAKING IN TONGUES by John P. Kildahl


THE LURE OF THE CULTS & NEW RELIGIONS by Ronald Enroth


SCRIPTURE TWISTING by James W. Sire


CULTS & CONSEQUENCES by Rachel Andres / James R. Lane


THE AGONY OF DECEIT by Michael Horton


THE DISEASE OF THE HEALTH AND WEALTH GOSPEL by Gordon Fee


All of the above books are available at Amazon.

One More Thing (actually three):

If you only read one of these books, you should read "Christianity in Crisis" by Hank Hanegraaff.  The Faith (Word of Faith) Movement is the single greatest threat to true Christianity in existence today.  That makes Hank's book a must read.

Information on this subject is not limited to the books listed above.  Each of these books has an extensive bibliography contained within them.  That is an enormous amount of information available to seekers or people who may already be involved with the Faith Movement. Victory Churches International is the Canadian arm of the Faith Movement.

The information in the above books goes way beyond opinion.  All of these authors are learned scholars and apologists for true Christianity.  If what you believe comes down to your opinion versus my opinion, where is truth?   The information in these books goes way beyond your opinion and mine.


. . . AND THE REST IS UP TO YOU, LORD.

Saturday, December 18, 2010

We All Fall Down (1 of 4)

PROLOGUE: The Present Problem

A powerful religious phenomenon appears to be sweeping through many churches across the world.  So marked has this been that extensive comment has even appeared in the national press.  For example, on June 18, 1994 the Times newspaper carried a report headed 'Spread of Hysteria Fad Worries Church', in which it was stated that 'a religious craze that originated in Canada and involves mass fainting and hysterical laughter has crossed the Atlantic to cause growing concern in the Church of England'.  In this article, it was reported that the vicar of a large church in London 'was forced to cancel an evening service of Holy Communion ... because so many of his congregation were lying on the floor'.  Apparently, the service had 'ended in chaos ... as dozens of people burst into spontaneous laughter or tears, trembled and shook or fell to the floor'.  The church's parish newsletter then carried an article about the service under the headline 'Holy Spirit Fever Hits London', in which it described the phenomenon as a 'revival'.

The widespread occurrence of this activity in churches today -- often referred to as being 'Slain in the Spirit' -- requires some careful examination.  When confronted with unusual phenomena which purport to be of Divine origin, the diligent believer will search the Bible to see whether they are compatible with what God has revealed to us.  In view of the publicity which has been given in the media, and the confusion into which so many believers have been thrown on this issue, the questions which must be asked are: 1) What is the Biblical evidence for this phenomenon?  2) What is its true origin?  3) Can this occurrence rightly be described as a 'revival'?  4) Is it really the work of the Holy Spirit?

These are the questions that we will address in this brief paper.

WHAT IS THE BIBLICAL EVIDENCE?

To establish if there is any support in the Bible for the experience of being 'Slain in the Spirit', let us examine the texts that have been offered as proof that it is a legitimate Christian practice.  In the Bible, there are a number of people who are spoken of as having fallen down as a result of a spiritual encounter.  These are cited as proof of the 'Slain in the Spirit' experience.  But we must first discover in what manner they fell, what caused it to happen, and whether their falling could be considered as normative for all believers in every era.

For example, proof is sought in the fact that Abram fell into a deep sleep, during which God gave him a revelation about his descendents (Gen. 15:12-21).  But this unique event involving a lone servant of God could hardly be likened to the euphoric, mass Pentecostal-Charismatic experience of being 'Slain in the Spirit', especially as the Scripture says that 'horror and great darkness fell upon him'!  Another alleged proof text involves the pagan soothsayer Balaam, who is said to have 'fallen' while undergoing a visionary experience (Num. 24:4ff).  But this extraordinary event involving the giving of judgmental prophecy can hardly be cited as a normative experience for all believers, as Balaam was not even a believer!  In fact, he is presented by the Apostle Peter as an illustration of the false teachers in the Christian church who pervert the truth of the Gospel (2 Pet. 2:15; cf. Rev. 2:4-15), and he was eventually killed by the children of Israel as an enemy of God (Jos. 13:22).

Another proof text offered is that which tells of Ezekiel having a vision of the Lord in all His glory (Ezk. 1:28).  The prophet was so utterly awestruck and overcome by what he had seen -- a vision too terrible to behold -- that he fell forwards to the ground, prostrate in a state of abject worship.  But this response of a lone man of God cannot possibly be used to support the 'Slain in the Spirit' experience as it is entirely different to what happens in Pentecostal-Charismatic gatherings, where a mass of people simply fall down (usually backwards) in a swoon because of the loaded suggestions and triggering touch of a human being, rather than as a response to the awesome power of God.

It is also important to note that Ezekiel fell forwards on his face.  In the Bible it is only God's enemies who fall backwards when confronted with His naked spiritual power (e.g., Jn. 18:6; cf. Isa. 28:13); whereas the believers in the Bible always fell on their faces in reverential adoration and worship, without a trace of the hysterical laughter or convulsions we see in so many churches today (e.g., Gen. 17:1-3; Jos. 5:13-15; Ezek. 1:28; 43:1-5; 44:4; Mt. 17:5-6; Rev. 1:17; 7:11; 11:16-17).

In the New Testament, Mt. 28:1-4 and Jn. 18:1-6 are cited as Biblical proof of the 'Slain in the Spirit' experience.  But these two cases of falling to the ground are simply the responses of fearful men to Divine power, and have no redemptive or salvific qualities whatsoever -- as the sequel to the second example clearly shows (Jn. 18:12).

The experience of Saul of Tarsus on the road to Damascus, as recounted in Acts 9:4 and 26:14, is also offered as proof for the validity of being 'Slain in the Spirit', as also is Paul's 'third heaven' experience in 2 Cor. 12:2.  But these are hardly normative experiences for all believers and there is not a jot of proof that to be 'caught up to the third heaven' is equivalent to the 'Slain in the Spirit' experience.

It is evident that there are no Scriptures supporting the validity of the Pentecostal-Charismatic experience involving 'mass swooning and hysterical laughter' during meetings of worship.  In view of the widespread nature of the phenomenon in professing Christian churches and the fact that there is no sound guidance being given to those seeking it, this is a matter for serious concern.  And that brings us to our next question.

Sunday, December 6, 2009

What Our Readers Have To Say...

"I have been following your blog for almost the whole time. You have taken a stand which most people would just say "so what" and tolerate this situation with your boys. I wish that I had been able to do that instead of going along and ending up losing my entire family and nearly my soul as well. Thank you. (Martin O'Keefe)

It is hard to stand by and watch your family fall apart. I'm sure if I knew then what I know now, I would have put up more of a fight for my wife. Instead, I watched her slip away because I thought it was just another Pentecostal church and now am grieving her loss to the wiles of her pastor. (David Miller - South Africa)

You actually had one of your children say to you, we are "only interested in you, Dad, we have no interest in having anything to do with your wife." How disgusting! I hope that you sent them packing with a firm kick in the behind and a "don't darken my door again until you apologize to my wife." Anything else is simply not acceptable and if one of my kids had said that to me about my lovely and kind 2nd wife, it would have been the last thing that they ever said to me. (Alf Ormont)

Going along with such treatment of your wife is absolutely unacceptable. She must be a saint to have put up with this. I will be praying for strength and protection for you both during this trying time. I have been following your blog and it has been most helpful in clarifying some things that concerned me with Victory Churches as I have family members in this cult in Alabama. Keep up the writing. Thank you. (M.B. Browne)

And these relatives are Christian? How awful for you and your wife. My family will be praying for all of you during such a Satanic attack as this. (Sandra DeVilbiss)

You and your wife must be beside yourselves over these ungrateful offspring (they don't deserve to be called your children); however, it is apparent that you love them and want what's best for them so we will add all of you to our prayer chain at our church. (Bruce & Jane Ashford)

It must be difficult to have such a situation as you describe. Keep pressing on. (Ryan Davis)

Thank you for this blog. We have read all of the articles and will be purchasing a copy of the book. We found your blog when searching for information on the "health and wealth" gospel as our adult children and their families have been taken in by the Copelands. Please pray for our children as we go through this. We also have not seen our grandchildren for some years and it is most difficult. Our prayers are with you and please keep us in yours. Thank you. (Denis & Debra Lezzard)

What a great post. We also feel like we are crying in the wilderness about this subject. At least our children are out now after six years of following that false prophet, Benny Hinn. The unfortunate part is that they no longer see any value in the Christian life. We would ask that you pray for Joelene, Adam, Michael, Brenda and their families as we will pray for you and yours. (Charlotte Wu)

I have just finished reading the book. I am giving copies of this to my girls for Christmas. I had no idea they were being drawn in under Joel Osteen's milarky. (Matthew T. Grey)

Yes, it is in crisis. When are you coming back to writing? (T.S. Smith)

The Grand Poo-Bah says:

I would like to thank all of the above readers for their comments. I have printed these comments all together in a single blog for a couple of reasons.
  1. You are not alone in the fight against false teaching.
  2. Your comments can have an incredible influence for the cause of Christ.
If you have personal experience in dealing with Victory Churches International or any of the other false teachers of the "Faith Movement," I would urge you to share your story. You never know who you may be helping along the way -- as you can see from the above comments.

I first realized that my children were all involved in a modern day Christian cult when, one day out of the blue, one of my sons said to me, "Dad, you didn't teach us the whole gospel." Since they were raised in an evangelical Baptist church from the time they were small children, I was shocked to hear this statement out of the mouth of one of my children. I was immediately suspicious that something was wrong at the new church they were currently attending. I wondered what this church had told my children to convince them that their father, who loved and cared about them, had basically lied to them their whole lives about the truth of the gospel. Convinced that something was very very wrong at Barrie Victory Centre, I proceeded to do some research and was shocked at what I discovered.

If you attend a church which promotes any of the people on the following list, you are likely involved in a cult and need to get out ASAP and stop sending them money. The only way to stop these people is to cut them off at the knees. They have no interest in your eternal soul; they are only after one thing -- your money. Many have amassed huge fortunes by promoting a "different" gospel. People from all over the world have become caught in their web of lies and don't even know it.

Here is the list of false teachers that I have found (in no particular order):

Benny Hinn, Creflo Dollar, E.W. Kenyon (founder of the Faith Movement), Frederick K.C. Price, George & Hazel Hill (Victory Churches International Founders), Jerry Savelle, Joel Osteen.

John Avanzini,John Hagee, John Paul Jackson, Joyce Meyers, Kenneth "Dad" Hagan (Rhema), Kenneth & Gloria Copeland, Marilyn Hickey, Morris Cerullo, Oral & Richard Roberts.

Pat Robertson, Paul & Jan Crouch (founders of Trinity Broadcasting Network), Paula White, Peter Marshall (kingpin for Victory Churches International), Peter Popoff, Peter Youngren.

Reinhardt Bonnke, Robert Schuller, Robert Tilton, Rod Parsley, Rodney Howard-Browne, Smith Wigglesworth, T.D. Jakes, T.L. Osborn, Todd Bentley, Andrew Prince and Paul & Debbie McCullough (false teachers at Barrie Victory Centre where my children attend.)


All of the above are members of the Faith Movement and promote the "health and wealth" gospel which has made the majority of them all very very rich. This list is likely incomplete due to the fact that new cult leaders are popping up every week wanting to get in on the "money feast" which is taking place at the expense of unsuspecting Christians around the world. We need to stop doing this immediately.

The next blog which I post will be a bibliography of the books I have read and that you may be interested in reading as well if you have family members involved in Victory Churches International or any other arm of the Faith Movement.

Look forward to hearing your comments. Thanks for reading.

Monday, May 25, 2009

What Is A Cult?

Many Christians think they know all there is to know about cults.  They may reason something along these lines:  "Oh, I've heard about cults; you know, Jonestown, Satanism, and that survivalist group in Montana.  They're simply too smart -- anyway, they're very involved in our church ..."

However, most Christians actually know very little about cults and what makes people join cults. To test your own general knowledge about cults, take a few minutes to answer the following true-or-false quiz.

The Cult Susceptibility Quiz
  1. I am lonely a good part of the time.
  2. I tend to be a follower more than a leader.
  3. I am not very satisfied with my church.
  4. Somehow, I feel my idealism and purpose in life haven't been properly tapped or challenged.
  5. I've been having some personal problems I can't seem to solve.
  6. The cult issue is not much of a problem in society.
  7. There are about ten to twenty cults in the U.S.
  8. I could spot a cult with little effort.
  9. Most cultists wear unusual clothing or uniforms.
  10. Most cults recruit on the street by selling flowers or books, or by requesting a donation.
  11. There are very few cultic problems within evangelical Christianity.
  12. All cults teach non-Christian or heretical doctrine.
  13. I'm not the type of person who joins a cult.
  14. Most people who join cults are weird.  They have "problems."
  15. Truly dedicated, Spirit-led Christians would never join a cult.
  16. People are in cults because of spiritual problems.
  17. People in cults are not "saved."
  18. Cultism has little to do with totalitarianism or addiction.
  19. People who join cults know what they are doing.
  20. Groups that preach the Gospel and are winning many to Christ cannot be cultic.
If you answered "True" to any of these questions, you may be susceptible to cults.  Most people are susceptible to cults either because of unmet needs or ignorance of cult issues.  The first five questions on the above quiz suggest that personal unmet needs make a person vulnerable to the right pitch.  The remaining fifteen questions reveal typical "myths" and misinformation about the cult problem.

Everyone is Susceptible

Parents may not fully realize the subtlety and deceptiveness of the lure of the cults.  But the truth of the matter is, virtually anyone can get involved in a cult under the right circumstances.  The president of the student body at Wheaton College later became one of Jim Jones' right-hand men.  David Berg, a preacher's son who was briefly a Christian and Missionary Alliance pastor, later became one of the most notorious cult leaders in the 20th century.  The truth is that smart, well-adjusted kids from good Christian homes can and do join cults.  

One reason few recognize their vulnerability to cults is that we fail to understand that our society is faced with a growing and pervasive cult problem.  The danger from cults is more insidious than ever as cultic groups become more subtle and skilled in recruiting and retaining members.  Many older cults adapt to the times with cosmetic changes designed to make themselves look more acceptable.

The Definition of a Cult

Traditionally, cults have been defined as groups that deviate from the orthodox tenets of the Christian faith.  For example, Harold Bussell, author of Unholy Devotion:  Why Cults Lure Christians, states that among other things a cult is "any religious body that holds beliefs and practices clearly in opposition to historic Christianity as expressed in the Apostles' Creed."  In his book The New Cults, Walter Martin defines a cult as "a group religious in nature which surrounds a leader or a group which either denies or misinterprets essential biblical doctrines."  And Ronald Enroth has aptly commented that "for the Christian, the most significant component of a definition of a cult is theological in nature."  

While heresy can and does cause psychological damage, orthodoxy does not guarantee that similar psychological and moral injury will not occur.  Therefore, a strictly theological definition of the word cult is not enough.  There also needs to be a psychological definition.  Ronald Enroth points out that Christians have neglected the psychological aberrations of cults, and he quotes a concerned Christian layman who said, "I think there is merit for placing more stress on the other danger zones created by cults, such as psychological and moral injury, disruption of family ties, impairment of scholastic and professional careers.  

Therefore, many definitions of cults included not only theological, but also psychological elements.  Here are a few examples:

A group that uses methods that deprive individuals of their ability to make a free choice.  They use deceitful recruitment techniques, they deceptively and destructively use the devotees' energies and they capture the devotees' minds.

Destructive cults are those which tend to use extreme and unethical techniques of manipulation to recruit and assimilate members and to control members' thoughts, feelings, and behaviour as a means of furthering the leaders' goals.  Although most cults that have aroused concern are religious, they can also be politicial, commercial, or pseudotherapeutic.

A group or movement exhibiting a great or excessive devotion or dedication to some person, idea, or thing and employing unethically manipulative techniques of persuasion and control (e.g., isolation from former friends and family, debilitation, use of special methods to highten suggestibility and subservience, powerful group pressures, information management, suspension of individuality or critical judgment, promotion of total dependency on the group and fear of leaving it, etc.) designed to advance the goals of the group's leaders to the actual or possible detriment of members, their families, or the community.

With these above definitions in mind, another aspect of the cult problem becomes apparent -- cults can include groups and organizations that typically are not viewed as cults.  These could be fringe churches, psychotherapy groups, New Age organizations, and various extremist political movements.

(from Cult Proofing Your Kids by Dr. Paul R. Martin)

If you attend Barrie Victory Centre, you are in a cult.  Make no mistake about it.

Tuesday, May 5, 2009

Cults Discourage Individual Freedom

Much of the concept of freedom as we know it today originated from the Judeo-Christian tradition, as many authors have pointed out.  The Westminster Confession clearly states the principle of liberty:  "God alone is Lord of the conscience, and hath left it free from the doctrines and commandments of men...and an absolute and blind obedience, is to destroy liberty of conscience, and reason also."

Freedom implies loyalty to truth, to conscience, and to the ability to make one's own decisions about matters of faith, ethics, and morality.  Cult leaders, however, claim that their members are not equipped to make wise personal decisions.  They attempt to dictate the members' use of time, dating lives, thoughts, beliefs, and who they marry, among other things.  

The lack of freedom lies at the core of cultism.  In fact, it is the breeding ground for cultism.  

(from Cult Proofing Your Kids by Dr. Paul R. Martin)

The Grand Poo-Bah says to Evan Matthews:  

We seem to have a lot in common.  I feel for your situation and totally relate.  Barrie Victory Centre and churches like it tend to rip families apart rather than unite them.  The reason is that you and I have spiritual discernment which is given by the Holy Spirit.  Our families seem to be lacking in this area.  

This church is a cult and is telling their people that they are the only church with the truth.  You and I know that this is not true.  You cannot be a follower of Barrie Victory Centre unless you believe this to be true.

My personal opinion is that Barrie Victory Centre is a training centre for "Christian Terrorists."  They believe very strongly in the concept of  "in-your-face" religion.  One of my sons lost a 60K a year job because of  "in-your-face" religion.   He had his Bible open on his desk all day at work where others could see it.  His religion was the only thing he was able to talk about while at work.  I believe he was consequently let go for this reason.  This could not be stated as the reason because it would be "religious discrimination."  Barrie Victory Centre and churches like it are training their members to be super-militant when it comes to their faith at any cost.

These people are so militant that you don't dare question what they believe. Try disagreeing with them face-to-face and see what happens!  I tried it and the BVC follower immediately became incensed and began to scream and yell in close proximity to my face at the top of their lungs.  When I tried to talk to them to express my point of view, I was shouted down with finger-pointing hand gestures so that I couldn't talk.  You finally give up and stop talking because there is no point in continuing.  This is exactly what they want.  They are not interested in what you have to say because they believe they are the only one who knows anything about the subject.

They have learned this technique from the church on how to deal with opposition.  It is likely demonstrated to the congregants on a regular basis. Do not listen, do not allow a differing point of view to be expressed.  Do not allow the opposition to speak.  Shut them down.  If you yell loud enough and long enough, gesture forcefully enough with your finger, they will eventually back down.  This technique makes followers feel right, vindicated and victorious.

If you are trying to deal with members of Barrie Victory Centre, be prepared to be brutalized, verbally abused, and possibly physically as well.  This is not true, however, if you are willing to keep your mouth shut.  This is the only way you can have any kind of relationship with family members. I find it very difficult to believe that I have actually witnessed some of the things I have seen and heard from members of my family since they became involved with Barrie Victory Centre.  We should talk, Evan!